Ep 279 Multiply Your Impact: A Conversation with Marisa Burnett, Director U.S. Commercial Training – Neuroscience & Med Surg at Medtronic: Embracing Your Internal Motivators to Lead Authentically

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Join me today for another amazing conversation in the Multiply Your Impact Series. Today I am sharing a recent discussion with Marisa Burnett where we discussed the idea of not tossing your hat in the ring for promotions, knowing and embracing your internal motivators, the power of leading authentically, her personal fear of public speaking – and ideas on how you can overcome.

In This Episode:

  • Leadership, motivation, and public speaking with Medtronic director Marissa Burnett. 0:00
  • Work-life balance and personal reinvention. 2:22
  • Internal motivators and leadership development. 4:49
  • Leadership styles and self-doubt. 10:12
  • Leadership development and authenticity. 16:14
  • Leadership style and personal expression in a corporate setting. 21:01
  • Public speaking tips and overcoming fear. 27:46
  • Career growth, internal motivators, and impact. 32:22
  • Leadership, self-awareness, and prioritization with 3 guests. 38:37



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You are listening to the at your time podcast and I’m your host certified life coach Michelle Arnold Bourque, and today’s episode I’m sharing a recent conversation with Marisa Burnett, Director of US commercial training for neuroscience and med surg at Medtronic, and we discussed the importance of embracing your internal motivators as you authentically lead. Welcome to the richer time podcast the podcast where busy professionals like you get the practical solutions and support you need to gain control of your schedule so you can strive to be the best in your career, but without the stress and overwhelm. If you’re looking to increase your energy and decrease your stress, you are in the right place.

Hello, hello. Hello. Welcome back to the podcast friends. Today I have another exciting episode and the multiplier impact series. I am sharing a recent conversation that I had with Marisa Burnett. Now Marisa is the director of US commercial training for neuroscience and med surg. at Medtronic. She is a proven sales leader with over 20 years of experiences across multiple technologies. She is I have to say very strategic creative problem solver and a huge advocate for building diverse teams and developing others. Not only at an individual level, but at a team level as well, which I think is so important. We discussed a variety of topics, including one that you might not actually expect to hear this is the idea of not tossing your hat in the ring for promotions. What I know most of the time, we’re talking about tools and concepts and how do you excel in your career? Not today. Today, we discussed not tossing your hat in the ring. And I just loved her perspective on this. And the importance of really embracing your internal motivators through your career. We talked about the power of authenticity and leadership and if you can believe it, again, remember she’s the director of commercial training for the world’s largest medical device company. And yet, she discusses her fear of public speaking. So without further ado, please take a listen. Okay, this is going to be so much fun. Thank you for being here. Can you start by introducing yourself in a way that you feel fit share all the goodness Speaker 1 2:22 You got it? Well, I am Marisa burn AX, which I’m still getting used to used to be Maritza salad, you know, and that probably ties right into I’d say how I how I really define and describe myself I’ve reinvented myself a number of different times for those of you that know me, you know, I grew up on a farm in the middle of nowhere on North Nashville, one stoplight one Hardys first graduate from college, my family and my dad had a Napa auto parts store. I majored in art, you know, just packed up my car, moved down to LA and got into sales and mapped my way into med device. So I’ve been here about 20 years, and I’m the director of commercial training for the US for all of med surg and neuroscience. That’s who I am professionally. Personally, I’m, I’d like to say I’m still kind of a new mom, you know, I am I focus on my career for a very long time have relocated a number of times to be able to meet my professional goals. And, gosh, it’s been seven years now, which is crazy. But I’ve been stepmom for seven years now. And a stepmom to Clara tests and Jack who are 1215 and 18. So that’s who I am. And I’m a wife to a, just a fantastic partner. Joe is my husband, he runs a company. So it’s been really interesting to, to kind of be in the, I don’t know, sometimes hear a little bit of a conversation of what it’s like to be a CEO of a publicly traded company. Oh, that’s, that’s been really interesting to me, and just really fortunate to have a great partner and someone I just really admire and adore and in a number of different ways, so oh my Michelle Bourque 4:06 gosh, that sounds so fun. It sounds like it keeps you all busy, too

4:11 busy and then but I’d also say one thing that really defines kind of our own style is I feel like sometimes we live a lot of different lives and once so we’re constantly it’s like that work life integration piece we’re traveling and maybe it’s maybe it’s a it’s a fun trip but it’s also a little bit of work but then it’s you know, calls in between but it’s time with the kids so we’re really about working as smart as we possibly can. How can we really be as efficient and as effective as we possibly can? And how can we get the most out of this time that we have here so I love Michelle Bourque 4:49 that and you know I was just earlier this morning reading an email from Robin Robin ours on one of my peloton favorite instructors. And she was talking about choosing your identity so like you can be a mom but she You can also be like, whatever you want to be right? It depends on where, what season of life you’re in, like how it is that you identify and, and one title or identity does not identify you and your entirety.

5:12 Yeah, I love that. And I need to start doing peloton, again, thank you. Michelle Bourque 5:18 You think I’m like a side hustle of a salesperson for peloton sent to this

5:24 telephone I’ve got in the garage, I need to plug it in. If we’re connected, you’re going to be like, Oh my gosh, just anyway, just telecom. I love Michelle Bourque 5:33 it so much fun. And I think this conversation is going to be so much fun, because we’re going to touch on a number of subjects. And I think it’s going to be super beneficial for people to hear your perspective, because I think a lot of times, especially here I’m talking about like going after the next promotion or ways to accomplish your goals. And and today, we’re kind of not talking about that. Can you maybe get started by speaking to why you think it’s important to consider your internal motivators, and maybe not put your hat in the ring for a promotion. And maybe we even just get started with what you consider to be internal motivators? Yeah, Speaker 1 6:07 that’s, that’s a great question. So in, in the role that I’m in now, so previously, you know, was a rep for many years, then, then a manager joined Medtronic as a, as a manager a year, actually, Gosh, 10 years ago now, which is crazy, managing our neuroscience business. So that was dBs, neuro NAB. And then I spent some time managing our spine team and then came in house just about three years ago. And the reason I give that context is because what we really focus on in our training roles and America’s commercial training group, it’s not really the clinical stuff. It’s it’s how do we then guess they’re selling skills? But how do we develop stronger leaders? And how do we approach our our customers in different ways, right, because we are all leaders, wherever we are. There’s a quote that I have a counterpart He uses all the time, I probably shouldn’t know who this who actually has a quote, but I think it’s John Maxwell, I think it’s the true measure of leadership is influence nothing more and nothing less. And I just think that really resonates. And so we’re all leaders, we’re all influencing our customers, to impact more patients, right? Our teams, whatever it is. So when I think about leadership at its core, if you can really tap into what are these internal motivators, that’s the sweet spot. And what I mean by that is, and I’m sure you know this so well, because you’re a coach. We teach it as there’s internal motivators, and there’s external motivators, right? So your into your external motivators are things like money and power and the picture of the Ferrari that says success underneath it, right? And then the internal ones are like, really what, what drives you, you know, is it your face? Is it loyalty? Is it? Is it your family? You know, what, what is it that you really, really plug in and connect to? And what’s really interesting is the internal motivators are typically a lot stronger to that individual than the external, right? So if you’ve ever worked with an external coach, like yourself, I know one of the first questions that comes up on every single call is like, but what’s really, really important to you what drives you? Right? So that’s, to me what I think about internal motivators, that’s what that is. So, Michelle Bourque 8:24 question 100%. And I love that that’s where you kind of let it to you because I have to say, I worked with a coach, this was years ago. And she, her question to me was, Michelle, what do you want? And I think for so many women like sometimes that’s a hard question, because we are so used to like trying to get approval and trying to do you know, reach for those external? I don’t know, accolades, I guess. And so, even when I ask people that they’re like, What, hold on wait, what? What do you want? Like what is important to you? Not what do you think you need to do? Because of, you know, XYZ? Yes. And Speaker 1 9:01 I think sometimes we almost get a little bit over coached, right, where overdeveloped we feel like, we’ve got to say, this, this thing that we’re supposed to say, right? Well, I want to be a VP GM or I’m going to be a VP of sales or I want to and it’s just like, no, like, it really takes some time to figure out what it is you do blonde and also that can change. You know, I shared with you. I’m just recently you know, had a family. Right. And, and it was a really, it was a challenge for me because for many years in my 30s I was trying to figure out, do we have kids? Do we not you know, when’s the right time we were we were struggling? We were struggling with you know, infertility, we were just trying to figure out how do we how do we do this and when is the right time to do this? And when I count myself at that time, I found myself actually getting a lot more excited about work. I found myself getting more excited about moving from Southern California to Awesome. So I take on my first leadership team. And it was that gut check where I said, okay, if I’m finding myself being more excited about that, then maybe that’s the path I should be taking right now. Michelle Bourque 10:12 100% I’m so happy you shared that too, because I have to say, similarly, I feel like I’ve been in a position where we did not end up having kids without we would. And so I will often joke with especially like my current colleague, and I’ll say like, Hey, I’ve been here 18 years, it’ll be July. It’s, that’s, that’s my baby. Right? Like, maybe it’s time for me to move on. on its own. But then, to your point I do, I’ve also had the back and forth in my mind about like, well, you know, people have things to say like, how are you still a rep and not a DM? And don’t you want to move on and Dutch, but sometimes I’m like, I really enjoy having, you know, the, where I am right now? And you know, and not question maybe, maybe they’re right, maybe, you know, maybe I’m the one that’s missing that point or something? Speaker 1 10:57 You know, it’s so I’m so glad you said that, because there are so many opinions from everybody else right about, well, when are you going to get married? And you know, and then when are you going to have kids? And why are you just going to have one and, you know, it’s just, it’s amazing. And a lot of times, you know, we especially with our customers, because we build strong relationships, a lot comes from that comes from our friends. And then on top of that, you can compound that with your own internal critic, you know, that’s there in our heads saying all of the most wonderful, obviously, I’m being sarcastic. And it can just really be it can it can, it can be a lot, right. So I love that you call that out because there are a lot of opinions. And you’re just at some point, you just again, if you can tie into what really makes you happy. To me, that’s a place that I feel really good at. Yeah,

Michelle Bourque 11:53 that makes total sense. I love this conversations about leadership. And I think, you know, like you said, we’ve both been doing this for a while. And I’m sure you’ve seen a shift in leadership styles, especially because you’ve been on a variety of different levels yourself. And also, you interact with so many different folks in the position that you’re in. Can you maybe talk about what you see as the shift? And maybe as we’re talking? You know, in the past couple weeks, I feel like I’ve talked to a number of women leaders about being authentic and have an empathy and kind of what your perspective is on that. Yeah. 

12:23 Well, have you seen? I’m curious, have you seen a shift in leadership here at Medtronic over the past 18 years? Oh, for 

12:29 sure. Can’t Do you know, going back to the whole not having a kid I was just telling someone a story. Like when I first started, the rep I worked with outright said this is not a mom job. And I think back now I’m like, Oh, that would never happen these days. Speaker 1 12:44 Yes. Oh, my gosh. And it’s a that’s such a that’s such a great example. Yeah, you can’t. That’s not the situation, right. That’s amazing. And I’m it’s so funny, you reminded me of I remember being a rep in Southern California at my former, my old company, and quotas are handed out and quota adjustments are made. And I received a I did not receive a quota adjustment. Actually, my quota went up. And my counterpart who was unveiled his quota went down even though I’ve been performing and he hadn’t and are, you know, I’m like, Well, what’s going on? And I asked my manager about it. And she said, she being the key word, which it can happen either way. She said, you know, look, you know, he has he’s the sole breadwinner, he has a family. You know, he has this he has that you’re you’re 24 years old, you should be grateful that this is the compensation that you’re making any opportunity you have at this time. And at that time, I’m like, You know what, she’s right. And now I look back and I’m like, no, that’s just crazy. So I love it. I love I hate that happened. But I love that we look at that different now. I mean, call that out. And we say that is not okay. That is not all right. So, 

13:59 yeah. And I think we have to trust ourselves to be willing to also right because the inner critic, we can just kind of settle and tell ourselves a story. Like it’s us being intentional with the story of believing in ourselves that we are, I’m just starting this book worthy by Jamie. Oh my gosh, she’s the co founder of IT Cosmetics. And it’s about the difference between self confidence and worthiness. It is so good. Once I finish it, I have to tell everybody about it. Because I feel like it can be for women at every single level and the importance of like, yeah, knowing and calling out it’s not okay. I Speaker 1 14:32 love it. I love it writing it down. Thank you. I want to hear your footnotes. 

14:37 Yes. I probably will do a short podcast on it because I do I think it’s just so important for us to not always like to be intentional with the stories that we’re telling ourselves when we have certain situations like that, that that come up.

14:50 I love that and I I just I want to double down on that internal critic piece. And I don’t know if you saw this exercise but it was So, I’m not gonna say who actually will actually it was Monica Lewinsky. So the her piece on bullying, I thought it was really interesting. And the reason I would say that is because I don’t want people to obviously bias and attach something, but just go into it thinking openly, right? So she the exercise was, you know, write down the things that cycled through your mind is internal critic. And then what actually happened is the next day they sat across from a loved one, their partner, their best friend, their mother, whatever, and they actually had they read, they had to read that on camera, their internal critic, they had to read those comments to that other person. And it was brutal. I mean, there are things that you can’t even have come out of your own mouth. They are the meanest things. And yet, here we are, you won’t even say it to your love. You won’t even say it to anyone, you’re worse than me. But here we are. And it is cycling through our head. Non stop. So I just fascinating. Michelle Bourque 16:03 Yeah, that is so interesting. That gives me chills. I always say, I mean, I say it jokingly kind of but I do think like, oh my god, if people knew what was going on in here, sometimes, right. But then I think I think it’s important to recognize that and be aware of it. Because sometimes we just believe ourselves. And we have to stop and be first aware of what we’re saying to ourselves and then decide like, also, Hey, that’s not okay. You, you cannot talk to me like that meaning myself. 

16:28 Exactly. Marissa, no, that is not okay. Why is that coming from? So I, I skipped over your your question. So I’ll bring it back to that. But leadership, authentic leadership, how it’s changed. I kind of like to think about this, it goes back to a couple different things we’ve talked about already so many times. And it’s not just women, it’s miss. It’s all of us. Like, we’re asked, Well, why do you want to be a manager? Right? And we’re like, Okay, I’ve got him. I know, that’s the first thing when they ask, so I really have to have that answer down so that we rattle off this answer. And we hope we’re like, Okay, did that work? You know, and maybe it did, maybe, you know, and then and then we get in the role. And then likely, we’re doing all these things that the person before us, either we learned in the SLD, which hopefully was wonderful, I’m sure it was, or maybe we have a micromanager, who’s maybe highly analytical and we’re trying to do things every you know how they did it, right. And it’s just this really interesting piece. And I think back to you, I’m sure think back 18 years ago becoming a sales rep, right? You’re trying to do it a certain way. You’ve got these metrics, you know, you’ve got to hit you got it field filtering, you’re trying to do it their way. And then maybe about two years in, you start finding a way that works for you. Right? You plug it in again, you I know you just did string finders with Steve and your Power BI circle, you start finding out you’re like, oh, wait, this works. For me, I almost feel like I’m cheating. Almost like this feels too easy, right? Like you get into your own style. I think about that a lot with leadership. And a lot of times you just don’t know who you are right off the bat. You know, there’s definitely some pieces you have to get down, you have to make sure you’ve got the basic management of the task, right, the cornerstone, the expense are those non negotiables. But a lot of that you’re going to have an idea of who you are as a leader, but a lot of it’s really going to come into focus, you know, and I think too, we got some really great role models here. You know, I look at Monty manners, man, if there’s anybody that loves loves her or not love her. I mean, she’s a she’s a great example. Right. And I, one of my pet peeves is, is when I hear someone say, Well, I’ve had eight managers, six years. Oh, a lot. It’s like, okay, here we are, right? I honestly, I look at each manager, I’ve had each leader, I’ve learned so much from each one. And the ones that were the toughest or the word like the ones we weren’t really that aligned were the ones I learned the most from right where I’m like, I am not going to do that. So my team, going to advocate for my team and a different way. I’m going to elevate them in a different way. So I kind of look at all of that and say, How do I really bring the best of this together? And how do I do it in a way that’s authentic to who I am. And counterpart of mine, Jeff Dortch who we recruited as a neuroscience DM brought him into America’s commercial training, and he’s just killing it. He got asked this question the other day, I think it was on a call with all of we’re doing a special initiative with all of the endoscopy leadership team, so all of their managers or ATS are going through it. And he was asked that question, you know, hey, you see a change in leadership. Why is that? And this more empathetic leader, and he’s like, you know, and he called out the Mars initiative from 2020, you know, to have 40% of, of women in leadership roles, you know, and that was, gosh, I can’t believe that was almost four years ago, and just said, you know, I really feel like this is a result of that. You know, and he said, I’ve learned a lot from the past two female leaders that I’ve had, Monty was one of them. And it was just really interesting to hear that from Jeff. And I just thought, wow, this is really cool that now we’re not all looking the same way. Right? And diversities. There’s a number of different levels of dimensions of diversity. We all know this, right? So I just love that we’re just embracing the same. Michelle, how would you go about this? You know, Jeff, how would you think about this? Monty? Really? You’d say that? Cool. Awesome. Do it. Let’s see. And then she lands the plane. And it’s amazing, right? Um, so to kind of put a bow on that I just feel like, the more you can really just tap into who you are, the stronger you are, right? Whether you’re selling your customers, right, you’re impacting more patients, you’re leading your team, you’re influencing others, because you’re that much more connected to who you are drawn for. Oh, I Michelle Bourque 21:00 love I love, love, love a couple of things that you said. Because first off, Monty, I think that is my sentence that I use, did she say that? I love, I love her. And I feel like she has truly been, like, so authentic. In the past couple of years that I’ve gotten to know her. I’m just like, in awe with her energy. And I just love her so much. And I love that you’ve made the connection. Because I remember, early on when I started as a rep and I thought, you know, this is Medtronic, I have to be very corporate, I have to be very serious. Like I had all of these like, and my manager at the time was like Shell, you need to let people like, see who you are. And I was like, Oh, why? No, they’ll think I’m crazy. 

21:41 I know, right? They’ll never want me. Right?


21:43 And I love that you’ve made the connection with leadership too. Because I do still think that there’s some subconscious or maybe conscious thought about what it looks like to have to be a leader at Medtronic. And, and even if we look at Aspire like me, following Lauren, I’m like, Hey, everyone, just so you know, I’m kind of like Kramer and Seinfeld compared to Laura. She’s so together and like, analytical, but like, that’s okay, we can we can all make it work. Oh, Speaker 1 22:09 it’s so wonderful. And I’ll give you my gosh, this is like becoming the Monty show. So I’ll give you a I’ll give you a multiplier effect of Monty. Right. So I haven’t know Monty that long. We both you know, lead in spine, which out of like 62 managers, I think there were only a couple of us that were even females at the time. But she’s grown up in spine, which is a whole different level. And, you know, one thing that Monty if you if you if you met her and seen her, her style is just fantastic, right? And I always felt like, well, if I show up these meetings, I have to wear a navy suit or a black suit. It’s kind of look this way. But she shows up with these frilly dresses. And so now look, I will, if you know me, you’ll know that I’ve really shifted my style the past couple years, because that’s okay, tie that into an internal motivator if you want, but it’s something I really enjoy doing. Like I like showing up in a certain way. I have a little fun personality. And so now when we do our emerge in areas, LD pilots are classes. I’ve actually had a couple, you know, women and cohorts pull me aside and say, I got to tell you now I’m dressing totally different. I’m coming. I feel like I’m more me, you know, it’s more fun. You know, I’m engaging customers in a different way. Because it’s feels more comfortable to me. I don’t feel like I’ve got to be like this robot, you know, so yes, I don’t know. It’s a funny thing. It’s an out there example. But hey, it’s not. Michelle Bourque 23:36 Yeah. And I think that’s so important that more people are willing to do that, like, Hey, this is me. Because back to your point, like when when we first started in sales, right? And you think there’s a certain thing you have to do or kind of who you’re looking to back then it was mostly guys, I remember I was like the only female rep in the room. So like when we can have more women talking about this and be like, Hey, everyone, it’s okay. Like you can do it like, Okay. Absolutely. And I think that leads me to another question here. Because I remember meeting you when you were like onstage at a spider probably in your navy suit or your navy dress? Probably, I guess for sure. Yeah. And I’m always in awe of like, all of the women who are up there because it’s just such a just such a, an opportunity. But you recently said that you had a fear of public speaking. So I think that could be super helpful to talk about kind of that process for you. Because I’m sure there are a lot of people listening who are like, me, too. Yeah,

24:36 yes. So I had big reveal those closest to me know this, but I had a terrible fear of public speaking. As a rep, I was I was fine. I could I could deliver a heck of an in service. I have that down, right. But if you put me at a QBR as a manager and it started going around the room, or even if I just had to introduce myself, I would just sit there just mortified. it until it got to me, which is just insane. My backstory here of why not is is I never had an issue public speaking, ever growing up, growing up in the deep south beauty pageants are a big thing. And you know, being raised by a single parent, my father, I had to hitch hitchhike rides to be pageants out of, you know, find dresses at thrift shops. I didn’t do that great. Let’s just say that. I, it was around 1999. And I was competing for Miss Tennessee USA was the top five. And so I got I polished my collagen skills by then. And it got to the final question for the top five. And again, the crown. I mean, it’s so close. And I just, I went with what do they call it the White Room? I mean, I just blanked out and thank goodness, it wasn’t recorded, you can’t find it doesn’t exist, thank goodness. But it’s I mean, they I just got asked the question. And I, I don’t know how I probably froze for like three seconds, but it felt like forever. And it was that fear. And then I answered something, I don’t even know if the words made sense. I mean, I just just almost blocked out you know, and I didn’t when I got four thrown around. So it was like last last place. So the top five is still quite proud. I did get a scholarship out of it. So I’ll take that. There you go. But it was a mortifying experience for me and my inner critic carry that with me for a very long time. You know, what, if you’re talking about something, and you can’t find your words, people are gonna think you’re stupid. And so here I here I am now. Right? So majoring in art, then managing neurosurgery, neurosurgery reps and talking to neurosurgeons. And what do I know, you know, I don’t have this really strong clinical background. And what if I just freeze? And do I even deserve to be here, right here, the euro, the thoughts in my head. So I knew as a DM This is something I’ve buried in the back of my mind that I knew I had to work on, you know, when you go to a national sales meeting, you see a sales leader on stage, and they are just rocking it. And they’re getting everyone inspired. And it’s just amazing. And I just thought I can never, I just I can’t do this, how am I going to be able to do this? And so I started, I started looking at Toastmasters, I sort of looking at, you know, do I get an MBA? Do I do I, you know, how do I do this? What’s the best way and as part of his fire at the time on the mentoree subcommittee, and it was always in awe who would be on stage, you know, Candice would do a great job. Christie would do a great job. Jody Weinstein did a great job. And I just thought I could never be on stage and do that. And the opportunity came up. And I said, if I’m ever call it a heat experience, right? If I’m ever going to put myself in a situation where I have to speak in front of my peers, 400 of them, right? Mostly women, and we we can be a little judgmental, right? If I’m ever gonna have to do this, and get this experience real world, it’s here, you know, and so I did it. And I received advice in advance don’t tell people you know that you’re scared, just get up there and do it, which was totally against everything. I’d always thought, you know, under promise and over deliver. But I did one and, and I got up there. And it it. You gave me feedback. So I’m glad it was Michelle Bourque 28:31 Yeah, I thought it was amazing. It was very inspiring. I never would have guessed Speaker 1 28:35 best. So I think um, so how why? Right. So let me let me I’ll share with you what worked for me and it’s not advice, take it or leave it because it’s it’s, you know, maybe generates an insight. But again, this is this is for me how I got there. So for me, it was a lot of practice. And I know everyone says well, it takes practice. Well it actually does. You know, there’s no teleprompters by the way, when you’re there it always looks like people have teleprompters up there. They don’t so there’s a lot of practice there’s a lot of talking through the story over and over and over again. Introducing Omar I think I have like a three minute long introduction to introduce him without teleprompters that I had to memorize which I’m not great at for the mission and medallion ceremony. And he started to come up at the end I don’t know if you remember this Michelle, but I actually like gave him the hand I was like not yet because I had this grand finale where I wanted to say and here representing Omar interact with not only the the rising man but the rising you know, woman right so I’m so excited to deliver that he started walking out probably not Yeah, I obviously got comfortable out there. But I would say it is a lot of the practice piece. It’s a lot of talking through it and for me now because what I do in my role I stand up you know, in front of two days and I lead 40 to 50 managers through sessions have to get really comfortable with it. A lot of it is the prep in advance of calling, whoever’s going to be in the room. Talk to me more about your business, right? Building relationships that way. That makes me more comfortable. So I’m entering into maybe some warmer waters, if you will. Another way. There’s the visualization piece course. But there’s also on some of these projects, I just realized, there’s so much more that goes into this beyond just what’s happening on stage, right? Well, I was so nervous about standing up and delivering, you know, a great introduction to Omar, there’s so many other things that we had done leading up to it, I knew that that was going to be the easiest part. So I don’t know pick up the pieces, wherever you are, you know, whatever you want, you can double click on anything you want there. But hopefully there’s something in there for someone to get more comfortable and being able to stand up and present. Yeah, Michelle Bourque 30:57 I think too, I also try to think about like, who am I trying to influence or help or whatever it is, like, if I’m thinking more about them versus my fear of like, my, you know, fear of speaking or whatever it is, in that moment that sometimes I can try to think about like, Okay, I think about them, maybe I won’t be so in my head about me. Speaker 1 31:17 You know, it’s so funny you say that, because my, my husband is a wonderful public speaker. And I’ve always asked him, you know, well, how are you doing? You just make us all maybe you’re, you’re just thought, Oh, he’s just really good at it. It’s like you’re really his practice. And he that he does talk to himself quite a bit, which is kind of a rabbit. So I catch him doing that. But he’s, he’s working through the script, you know, and it’s really fascinating to think about that. And a tip that he gave me that I tell myself every time before I go up there to present. People want you to succeed. People want they no one wants you to fail. No one’s like, oh, man, I really hope Michelle and Marisa crash and burn. No one wants that. Michelle Bourque 31:58 No one, absolutely. just Speaker 1 32:01 nail it. So they want the best for you. The intentions are there, just get into it. Right. So Michelle Bourque 32:08 that’s a great reminder. Speaker 1 32:09 Yeah, for any if anybody who, you know, if anyone manages to listen to this one, or interest in what I have to say, please reach out to me because it is something that that I just I really love talking about and sharing. 

32:22 Absolutely. And we’ll make sure at the end, we let people know how to connect. Have we missed anything before the final question? This has been so much fun. You


1 32:30 told me I I’ve just really enjoyed spending the time with you. I know we’ve covered a lot, but hopefully it’s kind of tightly woven to a theme of internal motivators multiplying impacts office. I’ll tell you, we did talk about the promotion. And when do you go for promotion? And when’s the right time? Do you want to touch on that? Yeah, yeah, that’d be great. Okay, so I think I’ll start by sharing this is the happiest professionally, I think I I’ve ever been, you know, there’s, there’s been a lot and there’s been a lot evolves over the years. But this is just to think about the impact that we’re making, right? I’m just loving that in this training capacity. And I kind of feel like for so many years, it’s like, okay, well, you always have every three years. It’s like I’m going for the next thing. I’m going for this It’s okay, now I have to manage managers. Now I have to make now you’ve got to go for this VP title. And it’s, it’s been really tough. And even in the past year, I know I shared with you as we were talking in advance of this, there were a couple of positions I put myself into, I started chasing after, and I pulled myself out of and it was it was so hard to do that because I knew I’d be great at it. I knew I’d be great for the business. I knew it’d be great for the leaders. I was so excited about it. But when I had that real gut check, going back to the internal motivators. I want at the end of the day, where do I want to be? You know, do I want to have a little bit more flexibility over my schedule? Do I want to be able to watch my stepdaughters lacrosse game? Do I want to be able to, you know, go and do this. Those are the things that I’m like, you know, that’s, that’s really that’s really what’s important to me right now. And that’s where I’m really enjoying my time. So it’s, it’s, it’s scary, right? Because the internal critic tells you Well, now that you pulled yourself out, is anybody gonna want you you know, are you really is this? Oh, this is all you want to do now is this? Well, I think I think everything’s gonna be just fine. Michelle Bourque 34:26 Yeah, right. We have to answer those questions. Yes, this is what I want to do. And I think Regina and I had talked about this also, like, there are different seasons in life. Right. So like, at one point, and I think so often, you know, I’ve had conversations with women about what is success and, and who defines that you define that so like, maybe in one part of your life, it’s all about career career career. Then it goes into you know, parenting or whatever it is, and it can always come back again, right? Like you can take time away and come back like the right answers is your answer. 

34:55 Think about like my my partner, right? CEO small Trading Company. I know it’d be a wonderful CEO at a at a large cup, I think you can be a great leader anywhere, right? And I even I’m wondering like, how are you? So like, Have you just love what you’re doing? And he’s like he’s like, but this the impact that we’re making here, right? And also that balance, like if it’s a huge global organization, how common are they right like, and I would also say the other part too, of having two teenagers almost three years are going so quickly. And the fact that seven years has been the blink of an eye is crazy to me. And then the last piece I’ll share is we have a really good friend that was recently diagnosed with ALS, had a very just amazing career where they made it on Broadway as an actor, then made it over to Phil was on The Wolf of Wall Street, and everything happens, you know, everywhere all at once, like this just great, great career trajectory. And I see him speak a couple times. And at 47 years old, he was just out of the blue diagnosed with ALS. And he talks about, you know, so much of his life was, you know, building the Wikipedia, building the IMDB doing all these things. And now it’s what’s really important, right? And so it’s really his name’s Aaron Lazar, if you want to look them up. It’s just a really great story. And for me, that was awesome. Michelle, just to go back to that other question of, you know, what’s next for you? That to me was a gut check of what I really want to be spending my time you know, if I have a year or two left, where do I really want to be? What really brings me the most joy? So yeah, Michelle Bourque 36:32 that’s an that’s a great kind of circle back around, because that’s where we started with the question of what do I want? Right? And that’s exactly what it what it comes back to. I love it. Since this is multiplying your impact this podcast, is there someone that you would say, a person or thing, whatever you feel is appropriate that has made the most impact in your life? Speaker 1 36:54 Oh, wow, that’s, that’s a great question. I always think back to I think it was Suzanne foster many years ago on an NWA call that talked about this board of directors, right. And I’ve heard Candace use it a few times. And, and now it’s kind of this, it’s this lingo that we all use, right? And I would say, yes, if I look at family, you know, my father, just so impressive. I mean, 81 years old. I just got a Facebook memory today that it was seven years ago that he hiked Machu Picchu with, I don’t know, 10 of us aspire girls on a fire mission trips. So bad, right? Super cool. So just a huge role model as far as a parent and business owner. But I will also say, I mean, there’s been so many women here at Medtronic and men, but the ones that really stand out to me, you know, God whines idle for really pushing me into this Aspire role to take on the co chair and vice chair role. I don’t care and the chair role. Again, I knew I needed to do it. I didn’t think people thought I should do it. She said you’d be great at it and push me to do it. You know, she was that nudge, which was so awesome. Otherwise, I don’t know if I would have done it. So I think that’s huge. Ken and Nick. And a lot of this comes from Aspire Candice has become a personal friend and also a business mentor that I love bouncing ideas off of Keeley Ryan’s another great one, Christy brown. You know, there’s, there’s just so many that I just really, I take these little bits and pieces from each person and I say, Wow, this is this is really great. So I just feel really grateful and fortunate to work for an organization that that offers this right? It’s just up to us to take advantage of it and pull this together. So oh, 100% Michelle Bourque 38:36 I was just gonna say that I think that’s so important that you’re taking the opportunity to take from each of them and not think that you have to be right that goes back to the importance of the authenticity. Like you’re not trying to model any specific one. You’re taking what works for you. Yeah, absolutely. How can people connect with you? Is LinkedIn the best way? Yeah, LinkedIn Speaker 1 38:56 is fantastic. Just if you search Maritza Burnett, again, bu r n e TT, I’m trying to do away with a salad you know, so Marissa Burnett works and and then obviously, you’re at Medtronic, you have my you have my information. Awesome. Michelle Bourque 39:08 Thank you so much. You’re welcome. Thanks Unknown Speaker 39:11 for the time really, really, really enjoyed it. Michelle Bourque 39:13 Okay, wasn’t that so much fun. I really loved and appreciate her vulnerability that she was sharing so much information with us and also the need for more of us to be honest about what is going on in our worlds in order for others to see it’s okay. You know, I mentioned that book worthy by Jamie Kern Lima and I think I totally butcher her name in the interview. I want to make sure that you have it because it is an amazing read so far. And one of the quotes that I love from her is you are not crazy. You are just first and I think that’s so important to understand that. Hey, listen, and my family. I am crazy and Michelle Lee right that is how I am referred to And back in the day, I for sure was not the kid that was picked for gym class. So I get that we can have points in our life where we feel like, that’s just me. It’s not. And I hope this conversation opened up the aperture by which you can see what is possible for you. It truly is limited by what you believe that answer to be. But first, you have to ask yourself, what is it that you actually want, and then speak to yourself in a way that allows you to accomplish that. I have to say I love being able to have these conversations and to be able to share these amazing leaders with you. So please be sure to connect with Mercer and as always, you can reach out to me on the socials. I love hearing from you. And listen, if you want to do some of this work, like figuring out your priorities, being able to increase your time management skills and plan your life in a way that works for you. By the way, feeling less stressed and overwhelmed and burned out along the way. Go check out my self paced coaching program. MichelleBourquecoaching.com/integrate. Okay, that’s what I have for you today. Let’s meet back here next week but for now, make it a great day take care Did you know you can take this work to a deeper level with me one on one, go to MichelleBourquecoaching.com and click on get started to begin

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